Bendtsen wrote:

Jose has won all possible trophies with United so far... Let's that continues

I'll sign up for that ride! :-)

With a win over Bournemouth, we are going above Liverpool and Arsenal on the table, just a point below City (3rd) and two points from Spurs (2nd).

It would be just a temporary satisfaction, but then we should see the outcome of other matches.

Anyway, we are there, we just have to keep playing well and continue using the chances we create.

Hope Miki will be fit, as he became an import figure for us. He is like Mata with speed, intelligent and hard to stop, so nowadays many of our actions go through him.

Wow, Luke Shaw in the first eleven \o/

I hope we won't underestimate the opposition, as this could be a classic banana skin game.

Well well well.. Zlatan might be in trouble and get 3 matches for that elbow.. The ref saw it but it feels like it was retribution and those might get seen as violent conduct and given a ban even if it was seen..

Hopefully they can take advantage of 11 vs 10 here though.

Could be three tough games against Boro, WBA and Everton though without Zlatan.

Unbelievable

You can't shoot a penalty like that when you're playing such an important game...

I thought Zlatan had a good penalty. Boruc just made a great save.

More disappointing was the fact that we weren't good in the last 30 minutes. We played the wrong way and didn't create chances. Trying too much too quickly and not being patient enough to do the things we're good at.

chuksi wrote:

I thought Zlatan had a good penalty. Boruc just made a great save.

More disappointing was the fact that we weren't good in the last 30 minutes. We played the wrong way and didn't create chances. Trying too much too quickly and not being patient enough to do the things we're good at.

For me it wasn't good. Not very strong.

I didn't understand why to play that way

X-----------Jones - Rojo
valencia - fellaini - pogba - lingard
X------------mata - ibra
X---------rashford - martial

sooo bad situation right now :(

chuksi wrote:

I thought Zlatan had a good penalty. Boruc just made a great save.

More disappointing was the fact that we weren't good in the last 30 minutes. We played the wrong way and didn't create chances. Trying too much too quickly and not being patient enough to do the things we're good at.

Not a bad penalty, but not good enough if you let the keeper read the side. He should have buried it, that is a penalty you must shoot strong if you know you are facing a good keeper like Boruc. Once I saw him taking the ball, I knew he was going to miss it and I said it. Unfortunately, it went like that...

A poor game for Zlatan, who should have scored at least two goals himself, apart from the penalty.

Poor ref as well, lots of mistakes on both sides. First of all, it wasn't a penalty for them, or if it was it was the softest penalty I've seen this season. Then Mings had to get a red, Zlatan deserved the 2nd yellow afterwards, then Arter could have got a 2nd yellow as well.

We should have been 2 or 3 goals up in the first half, yet we let them survive.

2nd half was bad, we were too rash, made too many errors.

Poor ref as well, lots of mistakes on both sides. First of all, it wasn't a penalty for them, or if it was it was the softest penalty I've seen this season. Then Mings had to get a red, Zlatan deserved the 2nd yellow afterwards, then Arter could have got a 2nd yellow as well.

Their penalty was 100% correct. Nobody on the pitch even protested...

Otherwise it was a tough game for the ref, yeah. I hope they get the video assistants in place ASAP, because the referees jobs are just impossible to do well like this.

chuksi wrote:

Poor ref as well, lots of mistakes on both sides. First of all, it wasn't a penalty for them, or if it was it was the softest penalty I've seen this season. Then Mings had to get a red, Zlatan deserved the 2nd yellow afterwards, then Arter could have got a 2nd yellow as well.

Their penalty was 100% correct. Nobody on the pitch even protested...

Otherwise it was a tough game for the ref, yeah. I hope they get the video assistants in place ASAP, because the referees jobs are just impossible to do well like this.

Well, if we got penalties like that, we would have got more than...two...in this whole season by now.

It was extremely soft penalty. I've seen it again and you can see that Jones is trying to pull his leg back, while their player moves his left leg towards him intentionally, in order to get contacted. His movement was completely unnatural and obviously searching for contact. A better ref would have noticed that. You can't argue about the fact there was contact and Jones was stupid to slide in like that, but the penalty was very harsh to him/us.

Apart from that Zlatan deserved to get punished, as a player of his experience must not let himself throw an elbow like that when he is already booked. OK that Mings should not even be on the field in that moment as he deserved a direct red, but Zlatan must know better that his reaction could have easily left us with 10 men. Imo, he should have been subbed by Mourinho, even though we were chasing a result. Missed so many chances, was nervous throughout the game and I don't see why there are different rules for him. Every other player, whatever his name is, gets subbed when he has a bad game, but that doesn't seem to be the case for Zlatan or Pogba.

Otherwise it was a tough game for the ref, yeah. I hope they get the video assistants in place ASAP, because the referees jobs are just impossible to do well like this.

It's been years that video technology is necessary, but UEFA/FIFA just doesn't want it.

Sir Alex, Van Gaal are just some of the names that are trying for many years to get video technology a part of football, but unfortunately it was all in vain.

Using video assistants would resolve many unfair situations and the game itself would become better. Just look at tennis since challenge was introduced. I know the pace of the game is so different, but anyway the game itself was improved with video technology. Same goes for all other sports where it is used.

Nemanja77 wrote:

chuksi wrote:

I thought Zlatan had a good penalty. Boruc just made a great save.

More disappointing was the fact that we weren't good in the last 30 minutes. We played the wrong way and didn't create chances. Trying too much too quickly and not being patient enough to do the things we're good at.

Not a bad penalty, but not good enough if you let the keeper read the side. He should have buried it, that is a penalty you must shoot strong if you know you are facing a good keeper like Boruc. Once I saw him taking the ball, I knew he was going to miss it and I said it. Unfortunately, it went like that...

A poor game for Zlatan, who should have scored at least two goals himself, apart from the penalty.

Poor ref as well, lots of mistakes on both sides. First of all, it wasn't a penalty for them, or if it was it was the softest penalty I've seen this season. Then Mings had to get a red, Zlatan deserved the 2nd yellow afterwards, then Arter could have got a 2nd yellow as well.

We should have been 2 or 3 goals up in the first half, yet we let them survive.

2nd half was bad, we were too rash, made too many errors.

For once I agree with you. In the first half we were actually quite good and should have scored more htan one!

The second half was going to be difficult, but still we had a bad game plan and played badly.

Nemanja77 wrote:

Otherwise it was a tough game for the ref, yeah. I hope they get the video assistants in place ASAP, because the referees jobs are just impossible to do well like this.

It's been years that video technology is necessary, but UEFA/FIFA just doesn't want it.

Sir Alex, Van Gaal are just some of the names that are trying for many years to get video technology a part of football, but unfortunately it was all in vain.

Using video assistants would resolve many unfair situations and the game itself would become better. Just look at tennis since challenge was introduced. I know the pace of the game is so different, but anyway the game itself was improved with video technology. Same goes for all other sports where it is used.

I saw this week on skysports that they are going to use somekind of video assistant ref in the FA cup next season. So we are getting there. But I think the video assistant should only be used in certain situations (at first it should be used only when a goal is scored and even then maybe only to see if there was offside or not). But if it used too much then I think it will be bad.

And like we have seen on many occasions we can't decide if something was called correctly even if we have the replays at our use!

I don't think we should sub Zlatan or Pogba. Those are the two players that are capable of magic even on their off day. That's something you can't say about most other players. For example Zlatan's knock-down during stoppage time for Pogba was great and created one of our better chances in the game. I think he had a bad game if you compare with the standards we set for him but if Martial would put in such a performance we'd be very happy with it. After all Zlatan isn't only about scoring but about so much more than that..

The same goes for Pogba. I think he isn't experienced enough to make the right decision all the time and yesterday especially he was too rash trying to play balls over the top at times but overall I think that even when he does some bad decisions he'll do the right thing more often than not. Yesterday the example of that was him getting into good positions in the final few minutes twice and nearly getting a shot off. It didn't happen for him but most midfielders wouldn't get into those positions or do even as well as he did.

If you remember, then Fergie (almost?) never substituted Ronaldo and Rooney either in similar circumstances. They perhaps didn't have their best games but you knew they could come up with the goods if they tried long enough.

I agree with most of what you said, but still the rules should be (almost) the same for everyone.
It is counter-productive especially for Pogba if he knows he is always going to play, matter what.
Also Zlatan, despite being full of experience, must be aware that he must always give his best.

I think that for players like Pogba and Zlatan the level they aspire to is always just a bit higher than where they are at that moment. I think that's what sets these top players apart from the others - they set themselves standards and aren't happy to do just their job.

I really don't see how you could blame them for not trying enough. I think they're playing well and contributing as well as they can.

Right now for others, like Shaw perhaps, there is the question of them needing motivation from outside themselves to make that extra effort. And there Jose has taken a pretty clear stance and not let them play before they reach a certain level. Letting the whole squad know with that how things are - if you don't put in 100% effort, then you're just not going to get that many chances.

I hope Shaw has now learned his lesson and can kick on from here.

Hats off Memphis !

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlaHdDtgFxc)

5 goals and 2 assists in 6 games for Lyon, not bad at all...

It's a pity that the ref has ruined last night's game, as it promised to be a really interesting match.

However, we can't only blame the ref, as Herrera should have known better that, once booked he must have been more careful. It was harsh against him, but still he is experienced enough to avoid such situations.

I think Mourinho had a very good plan and it could work well.

He must be totally pissed off that twice against Chelsea his plan goes to ruins because of a goal conceded in the 1st minute and a red card in 35th min.

Anyway, his plan B was not good enough.

I am not sure that Miki should have been a player to go off, once Herrera was sent off.

Maybe it was better to substitute Darmian at that point and draw Ashley Young back.

Miki was one of the few quick player in our lineup and with him out, our chances for a counter attack were minimized.

We got only one chance that Rashford created by himself, but he lacked a bit of concentration at the end.

There was also a shot by Pogba nearing the end of the game, which was disappointing.
I really hope he will start showing something more, something special. I don't care about his price, but he is a top player who, at the moment is not showing it.

The goal we conceded was partly Pogba's fault, as he couldn't be arsed to follow Kanté and try to block him. Rojo might have done something more as well, but wasn't quick enough to block the shot.

We were also unlucky to lose both Rooney and Martial when Zlatan was unavailable.

Too bad we are out of FA Cup at this stage, but at least we will be able to concentrate more on the league and EL.

Yeah two quite soft cards for Herrera. It would allways be difficult after those. I think Mikhi was substituted mainyl because he isn't fully fit. After the Rostov game Mourinho said that he was going to play 60 minutes anyway (in the game against ROstov) and that he is not totally fit. So I think on that basis that was the correct substitution.

Too bad Martial and Rooney were unavailable.

For once I was hoping to see Martial as a striker and he gets injured in a game where we don't have Zlatan.

I don't really know the extent of his injury, I just read it is a muscular problem.

Hope he will be ready soon - if not for Rostov game then hopefully for Boro game.

Btw, rolling on the grass for every touch by Hazard and pitiful acting by Diego Costa seemed just a bad copy of Barcelona's actors troupe.